INTERVIEW With Timothy Good, October 9, 2007

INTERVIEW With Timothy Good, October 9,				My goodness, this was, if I can find it, in 1965. I
2007				believeIt was during the great black out in the
By Kenneth J. McCormick Webmaster About				northeast.
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Copyright Â© 2007 by About Facts Net and				I know that well.
its licensors. All rights reserved. Permission is				Timothy Good:
granted to reproduce this article if no changes are				Yeah. I've got it here, here we are, page 254. He
made and all links, if any, remain intact.				was staying in New York at the time and I can
Timothy Good is a famous British ufo investigator				remember the stories in the American press
and the author of many ufo books. His latest,				about all that, but I thought for the first time I
"Need To Know" is due out at the end of this				would include the story since so few people seem
month and is a must read. It contains many				to be aware of it and it was actually November, it
interesting new facts and will have you wondering				was the great American power blackout of the
why we never knew about some of these things				9th of November and Stuart Whitman was alone
and where are we headed as a race?				in his hotel room in New York City during the
Ken, webmaster of About Facts Net.				blackout and was awoken just before dawn by a
				whistling sound by his 12th floor window, outside
Audio of the interview is available on the website.				of which 2 strange objects could be seen. One of
Timothy Good's latest book that is coming out at				them was orange and one was blue, he explained
the end of this month. It is fascinating and I used				to reporters. They gave off a strange
it as a basis of many of my questions. The book				luminescent light so he couldn't see if there were
is "Need To Know" and the publisher is Pegasus				portholes or who was in them. He heard them
Books.				speaking as if they were on a loud speaker and
Ken:				they spoke to him in English. It may not have
First of all, I think that you have a very unusual				been audible to anyone else, he said. I was
background for a ufo investigator and I think my				probably tuned into the right wave length. They
readers would like to know more about your				said that they wanted to talk to me, because I
musical background, could you tell us a little bit				appeared to have no malice or hate in my soul.
more about that?				They said that they were fearful of Earth,
Timothy Good:				because Earthlings were messing around with
Sure well, my father was a very distinguished				unknown quantities that might disrupt the balance
violinist and was among the first to broadcast				of the universe or their planet. They said that the
recitals on the violin for the new BBC, the British				blackout was just a little demonstration of their
Broadcasting Corporation back in the 1920s and				power and that they could do a lot more with
obviously it was in the family and I started				almost no effort. It served as a warning, they
learning when I was 5 years old.				said, that they could stop our whole planet from
Ken:				functioning. They asked me to do what I could to
That is very interesting. You are one of the				fight malice, prejudice and hate on Earth, and then
world's preeminent ufo investigators and authors,				they took off. I felt elated, he continued, I wasn't
tell us about some of the books you have				even shocked. I was standing by the window and
written, including the new book that is about to be				awake the entire time. I don't know why they
released.				picked me as a contact, but I'll swear on the bible
Timothy Good:				that I saw them out there and that they talked
Well Okay, the first book I actually wrote was				to me.
'George Adamski The Untold Story', which I				Ken:
coauthored with Lou for Louise Zinsstag, a lovely				That is quite a story.
Swiss friend of mine who was a second cousin of				Timothy Good:
Carl Jung, the great psychologist, with whom she				Isn't it?
used to discuss the ufo subject and Adamski in				Ken:
particular. I just felt that Adamski had been				It sure is.
misrepresented quite a bit and the first part by				Timothy Good:
Lou, who knew Adamski for many many years				I wonder if he is contactable these days?
and was his Swiss coworker in fact and she had				Ken:
herself many unusual experiences along the lines				I don't even know if he is alive, do you?
of Adamski, together with other coworkers, so				Timothy Good:
she was convinced that he was very truthful				I don't. I think I'll have to Google him.
about most things, but she became disturbed as				Ken:
did many of the other coworkers, much later in				Yeah, that's a great idea. I would be interested in
his life, by some of the things he was saying, but				what he has to say too. You talk about ufo
she will always stand by the basic premise that he				activity in the Vietnam War. Could you tell us
actually had contact with extraterrestrials and that				some of the biggest cases that you know about?
he met them here on planet Earth. My part was a				Timothy Good:
sort of critical evaluation of Adamski's claims and I				One of the most interesting ones was given to
have to also confess that I myself have had 3 or				me by Commander Will Miller, Willard Miller. He was
4 encounters with beings, that I am convinced				one of the disclosure project witnesses. He gave
were from elsewhere. One of them was very,				me this story. I went specially to meet in Florida
very, similar to the female occupants of the				to get this story from him. He said that he was
spaceships in which Adamski flew, way back in				onboard the USS Leary, a US Navy destroyer
the mid 1950s and that was absolutely				during the 1969 cruise in the Vietnam
extraordinary and that experience was on the				War.(Reading a passage from Need To Know) Will
borders of California and Arizona and that was in				was an Ensign at that time, US Naval Reserve,
1963 when I was touring with the Royal				now retired at the rank of Commander. He and
Philharmonic Orchestra, its a long story, but if you				some crew members saw an object at a
want to get into that later I would be glad. In				distance in the Gulf of Tonkin and above the
1967 I had a far more conclusive event, again				ground and they thought that they were sort of
telepathy was involved. It was a proof that there				Vietnamese fishing craft with lights and things, but
are highly telepathic beings around who know				then this thing started moving around with a
more than we thought and that really clinched it				completely different glow than the one coming
for me and that was back in February of 1967,				from the fishing boat. It then came towards them
when I was touring, well I was actually giving a				and moved from above the water to below. It
series of concerts with the London Symphony				entered the water and moved rapidly toward our
Orchestra in Carnegie Hall. We were there in 67				destroyer at 45 degrees to the bow, passing
when I had that second and sort of cathartic				directly beneath the ship. We ran to the starboard
encounter, that convinced me that there are				side to see if the object had emerged, but there
indeed some beings from elsewhere, living on this				was nothing. Nothing was seen on our sonar, our
planet.				surface radar, our electronic counter measures
Ken:				system. What ever it was, it wasn't a submarine.
Well maybe you could tell us what was your first				We decided against waking the captain, but I
experience that really got you into the field of ufo				decided that a deck log entry be made of the
investigation?				event, since we were required like all naval
Timothy Good:				vessels to report any unusual observations.
Well it goes back to 1955 Ken. I have always				All the ship's official logs were always re
been mad about aircraft and space travel, so				transcribed for official submission, this was what
when an American cousin, a really interesting guy				Will told me. Years later I reviewed USS Leary's
really, Edmund C. Berkeley, he was the first, I				logs at the US Naval HIstorical Center for the
believe, to produce a magazine on computers				period of the incident, but there was absolutely no
back in the 40s and it was called "Computers and				record of the event in the official log book. Now
Automation" and we thought he was completely				this is actually quite common.
bonkers. He was a brilliant man, Harvard graduate				Ken:
and he gave me this book on flying saucers in				Yes it is quite common
1955 and it was called, "The Flying Saucers Are				Timothy Good:
Real", by Major Donald Keyhoe. He said Timothy,				:I have many cases in the book, including a case in
you love planes and spaceships, you need to				1971 on a huge destroyer, in which the logs were
know about flying saucers. So that began it, I				either changed or just....
read the book and I read all these reports by				Ken:
airline pilots, near collisions with ufos, jet				This was a very common practice on the aircraft
interceptors sent to chase ufos all over the place				carrier Roosevelt. They saw many ufos.
and radar confirmed sightings, air traffic controllers				Timothy Good:
concerned all over the states and abroad and that				Absolutely. There are some correlations of the
was it. I was hooked and at that time I was in				low level sightings over aircraft carriers, like in
school, so I couldn't get into any investigation at				1971, when I got a detailed report from an officer
that time. That started in 1961, when I read				that held a top secret clearance, when a huge ufo
Captain Edward Ruppelt's famous book, "The				disrupted all operations on the aircraft carrier John
Report On Unidentified Flying Objects". Its a great				F. Kennedy. That's a very compelling case and I
classic and even by today's standards, it is an				think that what's at issue here and what was of
extraordinary work given that Reppult was an				interest to those ufos is that those carriers were
intelligence officer and the first head of Project				probably carrying hydrogen weapons That is just
Bluebook, which as you know started back in				my opinion, they are just letting us know that
1952 and he was convinced that we indeed were				they know and that they can paralyze all our
being visited and that all the proof was there.				systems, you know, if it came to it. There is also
Ken:				this report in the book by a general at a press
Okay, I saw something that you were writing				conference about ufos and this is a 1973 press
about in your new book, that I have never heard				conference. General George Brown who was
of before and it caught my eye. You mentioned				Chief of Staff of the Air Force at the time. He
that research was conducted into ufos by				was asked about what was the US Air Force's
Mussolini in the 1930s.				position on the ufo business? (Reading from Need
Timothy Good:				To Know) I don't know whether this story has
It started with the landing of an unconventional				ever been told or not, replied the general, they
aircraft, very unconventional obviously, in 1933				weren't called ufos, they were called enemy
near Milan. The crash landing, the first ufo				helicopters. They were only seen at night and only
retrievable story, dates back to 1933 way before				seen in certain places. They were seen up around
Roswell and Mussolini who was a pilot, of course				the demilitarized zone in the early summer of 68
at the time he was a sort of Fascist dictator of				and this resulted in quite a little battle. In the
Italy, but he was also a very keen pilot. He				course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit.
became very gripped by these reports and it				We never found any enemy, we only found
continued. There were reports in 1936 that Italian				ourselves, when this was sorted out. This caused
pilots chasing ufos could never get anywhere near				some shooting there and there was no enemy at
them. There were quite, quite vivid descriptions, I				all and we always reacted and it was always after
forget how long it lasted, I think it was certainly				dark. He said that they had moved the radar in
continued into the Second World War. It was				and the army stared to work and we finally got
started in 1933 and called the Special Research				that radar out of there and they quit worrying
Unit number 33 or RS33 for short and it was				about their problem. Anyway it goes on, but I
headed by Marconi, the great Italian engineer who				think obviously there was a lot of stuff going on
was one of the first to deal with radio				in Korea and in the Second World War.
broadcasting and all that and there were many				Ken:
other people like astronomers involved. Actually				I think now we are getting more sophisticated
Marconi didn't get involved in many of the				and we realize what is going on.
investigations, perhaps he had things he thought				Timothy Good:
were more important things to do. But certainly				Yes, yes indeed.
this was a top secret unit that was established at				Ken:
that time to investigate the ufo phenomena.				I was interested in that paragraph where you
Ken:				talked about a triangular craft, which we think of
You know its funny, most of us think that we				as mostly just sailing across the sky noiselessly
know most of this historical data, but new stuff				and not bothering anybody, attacking a Russian
keeps popping up. Most people in this country				radar facility.
believe that Roswell was the first purported crash				Timothy Good:
landing of a ufo with aliens aboard, yet in your				Yes.
book you claim that two years before Roswell a				Ken:
ufo crashed near Detroit, maybe you would tell us				Maybe you could tell us a little bit about that?
about that?				Timothy Good:
Timothy Good:				Yes. This was in 1989, 1990, something like that. I
I learned this from a pilot, let me tell you the				need to find the page.
story. In the late summer of 1945, the war was				Ken:
still going on and the Japanese had been sending				You have a great memory I must say.
these fugos balloons, balloon bombs, over the				Timothy Good:
states and a few of them got as far as Michigan,				Well thank you very much Ken, but at the same
but most of them fell into the Pacific Ocean.They				time I am checking in the book for all the facts,
drifted by the air currents and a few of them				since I like to get my facts right for your
were successful, but I think that only 2 or 3				audience and I think it was at a place called
people died on examining these balloon bombs,				Kuybyshev in September of 1990. This is a very
when they came down on the west coast. In July				interesting case. It was given to me by a
1945, they were considered balloon bombs over				journalist and engineer, a great friend of mine
the Detroit area, an army airfield, Selfridge Air				Nikolay Lebedev in St. Petersburg. He investigated
Field. They asked for a pilot to volunteer to shoot				this case. It happened on the 13th of September
down these Japanese things. They were				at a radar station 800 kilometers east, southeast
convinced they were balloons and there were				of Moscow, where the radar picked up a large
quite a few of them over this airfield. So who				target at a range of no more than a hundred
volunteered, but a Free French Air Force Pilot,				kilometers. It seems to scatter on the screen and
who was of course on detachment with the				at 42 kilometers it changed into a strong signal
United States Army Air Forces at the time as a				representing an isosceles triangle. Men came out
Thunderbolt trainer on P-47s. He went up and he				of the underground bunker and the unknown
told me that he took it absolutely beyond its				object passed directly over them at about ten
service ceiling, going full blast on the throttle and				meters. This is what some of the military men
he eventually got one of these balloons in his sites				said. "We could see it clearly since the perimeter
and he let rip with the eight machine guns in the				of the base is always lit by searchlights". The
wings of the Thunderbolt and suddenly this thing,				bottom of the object was smooth, but not mirror
it looked like a sphere when he first watched it,				like, it was like a thick layer of soot. We did not
suddenly flipped on its side and shot off at a				notice any openings, portholes, or landing gear, but
phenomenal speed at right angles and he said to				we saw 3 whitish blue beams of light. The corners
me, "THIS WAS NO BALLOON!".				of the object were slightly rounded. Now two
Ken:				soldiers, two sentries were sent to investigate,
That's interesting				because this was a radar station, a portable radar
Timothy Good:				unit. To cut a long story short, this thing actually
So you see a Frenchmen was the first to try and				landed by the fence near the short range radar
defend the United States against alien invaders. I				post and it beamed light toward the number 12
need to pick you up on your original question, the				radar unit and destroyed it and the beam of light,
crash of a plane, it was in Colorado near Denver.				interestingly, passed right through one of the
This guy, Commander Jean Kisling told me that he				sentries without injuring him, so it had absolutely
learned a jet had been sent up to shoot down a				no effect. Other people who were there at the
ufo and the plane itself had been knocked out of				time had missing time, they disappeared.
the sky and crashed somewhere near Denver.				Extraordinary case.
Ken:				Ken:
Ah ha				Yes it certainly is.
Timothy Good:				Timothy Good:
It wasn't a ufo that actually came down near				They said that each side of the triangle was
Denver at that time, but I have a case from				about 50 meters in length and that about 50
August of 1945, which took place in New Mexico,				yards I think. It landed with a soft rustling sound.
which I have gone into in a little detail, it is quite				The thickness of the triangle was about 10 feet.
an interesting story, it took place...I am trying to				A very, very interesting event.
think of exactly where, there were these 2 boys,				Ken:
they were young boys at the time and they				Could you tell us about the event at Dublin
were working on the farm with their families and				Airport. That seems to be another very
things on horseback looking after the farm. The				interesting event?
boys names were Jose Padilla and Reme Baca.				Timothy Good
The actual date of the event was late August,				That seems to be a very disturbing case which I
after the first atomic bomb was exploded and				got from 2 of Ireland's top researchers. Carl Nally
near a place called San Antonito near San Antonio,				and Dermot Butler. This was in early January of
New Mexico, somewhere near the border and				2004, when an Aer Lingus Boeing 737 400 series
they were on horseback and they saw this				twin engined airliner was on its final approach to
brilliant light, accompanied by a crunching sound				Dublin Airport. According to witnesses, including
and eventually came upon a dull gray..., they said it				the pilot on another aircraft, an Airbus 5 or 6
was an avocado shaped craft that had a				miles behind in the landing pattern, a very large
protuberance toward one end from which could				violet colored triangle came up from the ground.
be seen smoke from the burning wreckage and				This was the night, it was 8:30 p.m. It came up
they said that scattered among the debris were				from the ground and described a series of
shiny tin foil like pieces of metal and there was a				harassing maneuvers in front of this Boeing 737
gash in the side of the craft thhough movement				on its final approach. To cut a long story short,
movement could be seen.... they were looking				the outside air temperature was heated up to
from a distance. There were definitely humanoid				about 164 degrees centigrade, it was violent
like creatures moving around, Reme Baca told me				turbulence, the wings of the plane were crinkled,
in quick darting movements, making squeaking				the air brakes wouldn't work, wouldn't raise
sounds. They said that it was like a rabbit that				properly and so they had to make an emergency
was being killed. The boys headed back to the				landing, fortunately with no bad results. This was
ranch to tell the owner Falcina Padilla what had				very, very alarming for the crew and a similar
happened and he said that he and the others				thing happened. The same triangular craft was
would check it out in a day or two. That is a				seen harassing another plane, 2 hours later at 10
strange reaction to a possible aircraft crash with				:30 p.m. again on the final approach. Now we don't
injured occupants, one would think, but anyway 2				have any names of the crews, because
days later the owner of the ranch with a state				everyone's frightened of talking about it. It was
policeman and the boys, headed for the crash				officially denied, even though we know the actual
site. At first they couldn't find anything, the craft				registration number of the airliner and we know
had been covered with dirt and debris to disguise				that it was taken for repairs, obviously after this
it The creatures were gone and the huge debris				incident. Everything is denied at an official level and
field had been cleaned and raked over. Evidently				one can see why, because if people came out
the US Army had learned about the incident and				with this officially....
were going to pick it up later. Reme Baca and				Ken:
Jose Padilla were able to watch the actual				No one would be flying anymore.
recovery operation from a distance with				Timothy Good:
binoculars. Eventually there was one period where,				Sure. Just when you were beginning to think that
for a few hours, it wasn't being guarded, the				it was safe to go back into the air
soldiers went down to the local bar I believe, they				(We both laughed at this one)
didn't know what they had at this time, quite				Ken:
frankly. They claim to have gotten inside this				Before I get into the next question, do you think
craft, at least Jose told me that he clamored onto				that we landed on the Moon? We actually did land
the lowboy, where this craft had been strapped				on the Moon?
and readied to be taken away to White Sands				Timothy Good:
the next day and they pried a souvenir piece				Absolutely.
from a bulkhead. I've seen it and examined it and				Ken:
I am not convinced, it certainly appears to me				Because a lot of people say the backgrounds
very Earth like. It looks like a bracket of some				aren't right, the shadows aren't right.
kind, its 12 inches long and weighs 15 ounces and				Timothy Good:
contains a number of holes for fasteners of some				What happens is that pictures get touched up just
kind.				as they do in photographic models and all sorts of
Ken:				things. You want to present the product in the
Has it ever been tested?				best possible light and if that means manipulating
Timothy Good:				the pictures, it will be done. I think that thing
Yes a section was cut off, as well as acid tests				about the shadows is that shadows do vary,
reveal it to be 200 series aluminum or similar,				unless you know the exact sort or contours of
which is hardly conclusive to me, even though				the ground, the territory and everything, its very
evidently it is very light. It is a bracket of some				difficult to say that this shadow shouldn't look like
kind with counter sunk places where screws could				this and that shadow shouldn't look like that.
go in or bolts or whatever. I am just not				Ken:
convinced by that. Certainly the witnesses sound				Well one of the things people complain about is
sincere to me, maybe the craft was something				that they claim that they found the same
primitive. I don't know, but they were young boys				background in some of the pictures, but the
at the time, I think about 7 and 9, or something				pictures were taken at different locations.
like that, off the top of my head. But definitely,				Timothy Good
these creatures looked very very strange. Reme				I need to look at the individual frames. All sorts of
told me that when they saw them, they had				claims are made like, how come they didn't suffer
dragonfly type eyes, as far as they could make				from radiation. For heaven's sake those space
out from a distance. There were crashes in World				suits were very well insulated against radiation and
War I and World War II as well, in Hawaii for				meteorites and things like that.
example. I've also got a case, there was one in				Ken:
Poland where a craft came to ground with a very				What types of advancements do you think that
humanoid type female occupant on board and she				we have made from this alien technology?
asked this guy if he could help her clear the craft,				Timothy Good:
the craft had come down and half impacted into				Put it like this, Ben Rich who was sort of chief
the sand and buried in the north Baltic coast. I find				engineer of the Skunk Works, black projects and
that a very convincing story indeed, very				everything....
compelling. So there were things before Roswell.				Ken:
Even Roswell, yes we are getting more				Yes I understand.
information now, but I think the really sensational				Timothy Good:
event was probably Aztec in March of 1948,				Was asked at a lecture and he discussed it in
when the craft that was recovered was more or				more detail after the lecture at UCLA and one of
less in perfect condition and the scientists				the people there, I spoke to one of the guys who
probably had a lot more time over the years and				was actually there, the gist of it is that Ben Rich
over the decades to find what it was comprised				said that we now have the technology to go to
of.				the stars. This was like 10 years ago or more. It
Ken:				is just a question of a few equations, we now
Okay, I know you covered this business about				have the technology. That gives me the clue that
the bracket, but I would just like to ask one				we have very sophisticated technology, whether
more question, you say that was aluminum type				that's with the approval of the aliens or...I don't
200?				know. I think that there is definitely a liaison
Timothy Good:				program, I am convinced of that.
Yep 200 series.				Ken:
Ken:				Do you know who Kelly Johnson is, was I should
Did they have aluminum type 200 in 1945?				say?
Timothy Good:				Timothy Good:
I wouldn't know, I would like to know.				Yeah. He was also involved in......
Ken:				Ken:
That's a good question isn't it, I am going to				Yes and here is what I want to ask you. Kelly
check that out myself.				Johnson was the main designer of the SR-71
Timothy Good:				Blackbird. That plane was so advanced that it still
They didn't say it was type 200, they said it was				holds speed records today. Do you think that any
similar to 200 series aluminum.				of the technology used in that plane may have
Ken:				come from alien technology?
Got you. According to your book, NASA had alien				Timothy Good:
bones and an alien skull on the premises in 1977. I				I doubt it, but its quite possible that some
don't want you to name any names, but could				propulsive devices are used as a test bed in
you tell me how you went about finding				some of our more advanced aircraft. You have
something like this out?				heard of the Aurora and things like that. There
Timothy Good:				are top secret planes flying for more than 20
The story was published in a German book, 'Das				years before they are unveiled. I think beyond all
Alien Imperium: UFO-Geheimnisse der USA" by				that, beyond all the hypersonic vehicles, we have
Andreas von Retyi, published by Langen-Muller in				some sophisticated lifting bodies, or aircraft or
Germany in 1995. I had the extract translated. I				spacecraft or whatever. There is the indication
find it very compelling because this engineer, this				provided by a friend of mine who I feel very
biophysicist, this Polish biophysicist, Dr. Cris, in 1974				very sorry for Gary McKinnon, the world's top
was asked, together with a small team of				military hacker. I call him Gary Hackin. He is a
scientists on contract to NASA, to analyze				lovely guy, very sorry for what he did. Its
extraordinary material and the materials were				dreadful, what the poor chap faces for what he
really like nothing that they had encountered				did, being set up for 60 or 70 years in prison and
before, and in 1977 the same team met again in				the extradition is going ahead. I don't know the
NASA's JPL at Cal Tech in Pasadena and during his				latest up to date on that?
party, the official that was retiring took these				Ken:
biophysicists, they were a team, there were half				Nick Pope said it was still on going and he couldn't
a dozen of them, French, Italian, Polish and British				comment on it when I spoke to him.So that is
and they were taken to a vault 3 levels below				the latest I've got on it.
ground level into this top secret vault, apparently				Timothy Good:
where it was protected by a heavy door with				It awful, because according to my information,
two seals and they were taken into this room				the extradition treaty has not been passed by
about 8 to 10 meters in length and about 4				both houses of congress, I don't think. I am not
meters wide and the first thing that they saw				sure about that. The Brits are not too happy
were two small shiny plexiglas containers. In one				about it, because we still can't extradite people
of the two, there was a hip bone, the bottom of				from your country.
it was broken off. It looked like a child's hip bone,				Ken:
but the form was different and the bone				Right.
structure too and the shape and color were				Timothy Good:
different. The bone was not typical yellowish				Its a one way system. The Enron three which
white, but grayish white. So said this guy who				are still in prison, I mean you can wait up to 3
was given the pseudonym of Dr. Cris. He said the				years before you go trial.
cavity for the bone marrow was smaller and the				Ken:
structures where the muscles were attached				Hey I agree with you 100%, believe me.
were formed differently. In the second plexiglas				Timothy Good:
container he says we saw the fragment of a				Gary as you probably know, is in the last chapter
skull, maybe 1/3rd or 40 percent of it. The				of my book, along with the most interesting thing
segment included the eye socket and part of the				that he discovered, if I can lay my hands on it it.
right part of the skull. The head was about as big				He said that for him, I should add that I did talk to
as that of an elderly child. It looked human like,				someone in Washington and pleaded for leniency
but derived neither from a child or from an ape.				concerning this, but unfortunately there is not a
The color was different from that of the hip				lot of sympathy for hackers in the military.
bone, it appeared lighter. I don't know if some				Ken:
parts of the bone had been damaged by fire, in				No they want him and that is the bottom line
any case the color was not the same. He said				unfortunately.
that the part of the skull protecting the brain was				Timothy Good:
much thinner than a human's scalp. Now in that				I said anyway you must look at the positive side
context, it is interesting that the nurse who				of this, Gary did expose the weak security of the
attended one of the autopsies at Roswell Army				American military system, using Windows for
Air Field, according to Glenn Dennis, described the				example, not the most secure system for
scalp of one of the beings as being flexible, so				starters and no passwords in some cases. They
that's interesting.				neglected to protect their data with that.
Ken:				Ken:
Yes that is interesting.				Plus they put in all these back doors that he
Timothy Good:				discovered.
And these exhibits were given a small printed				Timothy Good:
explanation. It said," from the first and second				The most interesting thing that he told me related
incidents in New Mexico". The team of scientists				to the air force space command, which I am
tried to get the American chap in charge, who				convinced is sort of in charge of this space
was retiring, to say what this meant. He said that				development, which you were talking about
is highly secret and we are not allowed to talk				before, surmising, you know, a top secret space
about that. Well anyway, what I find that even				program apart from the public one, that we know
more interesting is that Dr. Cris said that later in				about. I found a list of officer's names under the
1947, there had been at least two spaceships				heading, Non terrestrial Officers.
with at least 2 crews of 3 that had crashed and				Ken:
he added that one member of the second crew				Yes I saw that.
had survived. I don't know anything specific about				Timothy Good:
his fate. The first 3 beings were mostly charred,				He didn't mean little green men.(Reading from
while the next 2 was mostly preserved for				Need To Know) I think it means non Earth based.
example. For example the scalp, skin and bones.				I found a list of fleet to fleet transfers and a list
There were also parts of clothing found. As I				of ship names. I looked them up and they weren't
learned from from biologists, their blood is similar				US Navy ships. What I saw made me believe that
to ours, but shows a totally different reaction				they have some sort of spaceship off planet. He
towards oxygen, so inside the spaceship they				sort of expanded on this. He said finding the first
must breathe a mixture of helium and oxygen.				image on my pc, the Earth or at least a blue and
Nitrogen, for whatever reason, is not good for				white planet with no continents visible, filled 2/3rds
them and I know Andreas Von Retyi and I am				of the screen. Midway between the camera, he
sure that, that is a very genuine case.				puts that in parenthesis, hung a cigar shaped
Ken:				object which had geodesic domes above, below
I think it is amazing that the particular nurse that				and to the left and right. I didn't see any seams,
you are talking about, how every record of her's				bolts or telemetry antenna. I think that's very
was completely erased from Roswell to make				interesting indeed.
her a non entity, you know what I mean?				Ken:
Timothy Good:				Very interesting. Listen, at this point I have been
Well yeah. its interesting, you know that Glenn				talking to you for over an hour now. I love this
Dennis gave out the name of Safe, or Selff I				and I could go on a lot longer, but I don't want to
think, I am sorry I forget, I should check and get				take advantage of you. How do you feel about
all my facts. It was Naomi Self I think. Anyway				this?
according to the air force, according to their				Timothy Good:
investigations, all the information Glenn Dennis				I am okay for about another 25 minutes or
provides, accurately describes a first lieutenant				something like that.
Eileen M. Fanton. I've actually reproduced a				Ken:
photograph from the US Air Force, you know				Okay, great. Let me ask you this question. From
Roswell Case Closed book.				your book I get the feeling that you feel that we
Ken:				could be attacked at any minute, am I correct, or
Yeah I've done a little research myself.				is this an erroneous assumption?
Timothy Good				Timothy Good:
I think that's very interesting, so you know that				I didn't mean to imply that, certainly there is that
the jury's still open on that one.				possibility, things are going on all the time. It is
Ken:				definitely still a conflict situation.
I didn't write this question down, but it come to				Ken:
mind. With all these ufo crashes many people				Well here is what I wanted to ask you in
believe that even though these ships have				relationship to that anyway. How do you feel that
advanced beings flying them, that because of the				we could possibly protect ourselves from people
type of propulsion they are using, like antigravity				that would be so much more advanced than us
propulsion, that technically they are unstable at				and could just sit off in space and bombard the
slower speeds and that this causes some of the				Earth?
crashes. Do you believe that?				Timothy Good:
Timothy Good:				Well they can do things in a more subtle way, like
I think it is quite likely. It is sort of being surmised				take over.., we hear about the abduction
that the new high powered radar was put in New				phenomena. I mean, what protection do we have
Mexico to sort of defend White Sands, because				against that for heaven's sake?
that area was the first area where the Abomb				Ken:
was tested, exploded and a lot of other things				That's for sure.
involving ufos. Actually ufos were very busy in				Timothy Good:
New Mexico, there was no question, because of				You know things can be done in a very subtle
our developments with nuclear weapons and so				way. What is the abduction program for? I have
forth. So they were buzzing all over the place and				thought long and hard about this and I have had
I think that in addition to the possibility that radar				abduction type experiences myself. I am not
took some of them down, I think that others				saying that I have been abducted, but I have had
were actually shot down later on, using all sorts of				abduction type experiences, over a very very
sophisticated weapons. I have heard all sorts of				long period. I am familiar with with many of the
rumors about that time and what I am told by				symptoms at least. I don't know, but I do think
Jon Andy Kissner, former state representative				hybridization is the name of the game. For who's
for the town Las Cruces, that's right, yeah, he				benefit? I always ask this question. For who's
was also in the defense industry, very well				benefit, is it for theirs or is it for ours? They
connected and he gave me a lot of extremely				always say for our benefit, but you know if they
important new information relating to the air				are producing a hybrid, I can't help but think that
disasters which followed the first tests of V-2				some of them may have our planet in their sites
Rockets. The case actually described and I				as some place to live. I don't know.
reproduced, thanks to Andy Kissner's research				Ken:
that he kindly gave me permission to use as				Or to improve our nature.
much as I wanted, he had great research, actual				Timothy Good:
newspaper articles confirming that peculiar				Well I like to think that would be the case. We
phenomena were responsible for bringing down				certainly need it dramatically upgraded, that's for
prematurely a V-2 Rocket. This was several				sure and in this time above all. Frankly I am more
months before Roswell. I reproduced the actual				concerned about people on this planet than people
newspaper there, which shows the director of the				from elsewhere, even though I grant you that
White Sands missile test center confirming this				some of them are dangerous. .
officially. What happened then was that there was				Ken:
a renewed effort on the part of the Army Air				Well let me ask you this. You say that you have
Forces as they still wanted to bring some of				met with some of these aliens. The aliens you
these things down for instance, for evaluation.				met with, were they all from the same race or
There could have been a conflict ever since, in				have you met with several .....
my opinion, with some or even several				Timothy Good:
extraterrestrial species. Anyway that set things				I don't know. The communication that I had with
off, when we started firing at them and actually				them was all telepathic, with no conversation.
succeeded, I am told, in bringing down the two of				Ken:
them, that came down somewhere in the vicinity				Ah no physical contact?
of Roswell and other areas as you know. You				Timothy Good:
know the story there. I don't think that all the				The first two were both in the United States and
facts have been released but, I was told what				they were in response to a telepathic request to
happened in sort or May and or June 1947, some				identify themselves, if they were from some
of these things these craft were knocked out of				place else. In both cases they did very
the sky and the one that came down at Roswell,				dramatically and very obviously and they certainly
I am told by Andy Kissner, took several days				looked extremely interesting physically. There was
before it came down and several of these craft				no conversation. I had an experience last year in a
were seen wobbling around the sky, literally, as if				certain country. People have always said to me
they were sort of in trouble and then they came				Tim, why don't you talk to these guys? I don't
down in New Mexico and retrievable teams were				know, is the answer to that. One just doesn't feel
sent out.				like talking to them, but I did have an opportunity,
Ken:				a possible encounter last year, I spoke and there
So apparently we had something that would				was absolutely no response, even though the guy
interfere with the magnetic field.				was 2 feet away from me, staring straight at
Timothy Good:				me. There was no verbal communication, so it
Or what ever. What I'm told brought those down,				doesn't make any difference if you talked to
they did try regular antiaircraft shells, but they				them. Let me tell you about the most interesting
found the most effective thing was proximity				experience I had, which was in New York in
fuse weapons, they are geared to explode at a				February of 1967. I was with the London
predetermined distance,on getting close to the				Symphony Orchestra, we had a series of
target. Apparently that's what happened, they				concerts at Carnegie Hall. Between my rehearsal
brought several of these things down and then all				and concert in one day, we set up to try and
hell let loose, because they started retaliating and				establish some sort of communication with these
not just in the United States, but worldwide. Again				guys, because I had been speaking with people
I reproduced some of the actual articles, some				who had meetings in Washington, just come back
are a little difficult to read, but you can get the				from Washington to speak with friends of George
gist of the whole thing.				Adamski who had a craft come right over their
Ken:				home in Silver Springs, Maryland with a total of 4
That was a question that I was going to ask you,				witnesses and Madeleine Rodeffer is alive to this
believe it or not. You are going to answer the				day and she will be happy to talk to anyone on
question between the years 52 and 56 about the				the phone. She doesn't answer letters, she is
1773 aircraft accidents?				slightly arthritic, but she will be happy to talk to
Timothy Good:				people. She was there, the film has been
Yes I am going to talk about that, but first of all				authenticated. The frame in the book, the latest
this is in1947 before Roswell, hundreds of aircraft				book, "Need To Know", I've reproduced the
crashes occurred not just in the United States,				pictures in color in "Alien Base", which has also
but all over the world and there is no doubt in my				been published. I am convinced that film was
mind, that these crashes were indeed ufo related.				genuine. It was authenticated by the chief project
It was retaliation on their part. Now what I found				engineer at Eastman Kodak at the time. The craft
particularly disturbing when I was presented with				was about 27 feet in diameter. Anyway there
this massive evidence, its understandable if				were meetings, liaisons, going on with some of
interceptors were sent up and knocked out of				George Adamski's coworkers and Adamski
the sky, which has happened many times, or				himself earlier and I was wondering if I could
made to disappear or whatever, but there were				make a link and I sat in my hotel lobby, of what
airliners that were unable to get off the ground,				was then called the Park Sheraton Hotel. I sent
this happened on many occasions all over the				out a telepathic request that went something like
world and unexplained crashes. The official				this, if there are any of you guys in the New
explanation. was that the planes were running out				York area, please come and sit down besides me
of fuel. Well you don't get that many planes				and prove it. Okay, you have to be careful in
running out of fuel, when they have just been				New York, especially in hotel lobbies. Various
fully fueled and not even gotten into the air. So				people came and went. Finally this guy comes in,
there were these many, many unexplained				he is straight out of Madison Avenue, he looks, I
accidents and I eventually managed, thanks to				wasn't anywhere near Madison Avenue I should
Richard H. Hall, the great researcher with Donald				say, 7 and 57th or 6 and 57th Street or
Keyhoe, from Doctor Olavo Fontes, the actual				something like that. This guy came in immaculately
Defense Department statistics from 1952 to late				dressed. Charcoal gray suit, white shirt, dark tie,
1956 on aircraft crashes. Interestingly these				wavy fair hair, about 5 foot 10. Very intelligent
statistics reveal that out of 18,662 major military				looking, tanned. If I were to put a race to him I
aircraft accidents, most of which incidentally				would have said possibly Scandinavian. But
involved the latest jet fighters and other inceptor				anyway, he came down and sat down besides
aircraft, 1,773 were due to unknown factors. That				me. I thought immediately that there was
is officially confirmed by the United States				something about him, just his general demeanor
Defense Department statistics.				and he slowly opened an attache case. It looked
Ken:				kind of graceful and deliberate. He took out the
That's incredible.				New York Times and turned the pages over
Timothy Good:				about one every two or three seconds. Then he
It is also incredible that there were 18,662 major				folded the paper, put it back into the attache
military aircraft accidents in that period.				case, closed the attache case and just sat calmly
Ken:				there. In my mind I said right, if you are from
Yeah it sure is. Tell us a little bit about the				somewhere else would you place your right index
interceptors that disappeared. What I am curious				finger on the right side of your nose and hold it
about is, was there any pattern to their				there. Immediately I saw that he took his finger
disappearance, in other words did they show				and held it to the side of his nose and he kept it
electrical problems as they got closer to these				there. Okay, so I was thinking hey, what do I do
discs?				now? Is he going to give me the secrets of the
Timothy Good:				universe or what? I decided just to stay put and
Yes, absolutely, in many cases. The most classic				do nothing. I thought, are you going to talk or do
one for me, the most interesting one and I think				something? I didn't get the guy speaking. I tried a
that there must have been hundreds, if not, well I				little more telepathy, but I didn't get a response,
would put it conservatively at maybe several				he just sat there. Eventually he stood up and he
thousand unexplained accidents and				just looked at me for quite a while, sort of
disappearances. But I think the most interesting				dispassionately with no particular expression on his
one occurred in I think, June of 1953 when an				face. He looked extremely intelligent. He had sort
F-94C Starfire was sent up from Otis Air Force				of quite pleasant but penetrating eyes. Eventually
Base in Massachusetts, on the coast of				he walked off and left the hotel. I never saw him
Massachusetts to chase an ariel intruder. I mean				again, but I'd recognize him again. So that is a
this thing, these things were happening every day				very convincing exchange for me.
at that time. I mean there was nothing				Ken:
exceptional about it. It was quite normal. Pilots				That is an amazing story.
were sent up to investigate these things and to				Timothy Good
shoot them down and this was in June of that				People say look, couldn't he have just been a
year, 53. A Starfire was sent up. The pilot was				telepathic Earthling. Yeah sure its possible.
sitting in the front seat and in the rear was the				Ken:
radio, radar operator and they got to just over				Too many coincidences.
1,000 feet to chase this intruder away, this				Timothy Good
unexplained flying object, when all power failed,				Well yeah and a similar incident in 1963. This was a
absolutely everything, the engine failed the whole				girl waiting in line at a diner. We stopped on the
lot. The rear seat guy is supposed to eject first,				512 mile trip from Tucson to Los Angeles. We
but nothing happened or we simply don't know				stopped for a break, it was time for a half hour
what happened, but anyway there was no time				break to get a sandwich or something. I just saw
to mess around, so the pilot in the front pulled the				this extraordinary looking, quite petite girl waiting
ejection seat canopy, they shot off then he				in line. She looked quite exceptional in terms of
ejected, he came down and the parachute				her facial features. Extremely intelligent and
managed to open in time and he landed in a				unusual, so I sent out the thought, are you from
populated area, a suburban area, fully expecting				elsewhere? She had a completely dead pan
the rear seater to come down after him. What				expression on her face, but as she came past
happened, nothing. There was no sign of the radar				me, did a curtsey and a huge smile and bowed. I
observer, no sign of the Starfire jet. The only				had friends with me and they didn't know what
thing that they found was the cockpit canopy,				was going on. Then the dead pan expression
which of course had just been ejected prior to				came back and she just walked away. I've never
the pilot having ejected. I find that a very				seen her again, but I can't quite frankly, I don't
convincing story and I know one of the				know if I would recognize her again. She is very
investigators, I know Major Donald Keyhoe				similar to the description of Kalna in Adamski's
investigated it, Bob Pratt who died in recent years				"Inside The Space Ships"
sadly, was a great researcher, he was convinced				Ken:
that it was very real based on the people he				Right. Well I don't mean this as an insult, but could
spoke to. So that's just one of many, many				you tell me if you have ever been tested for
cases. I think that they are probably still				ESP?
happening, but we don't get to hear about them				Timothy Good:
so much.				I haven't been tested, but I have been interested
Ken:				in that since as long as I can remember. I mean,
Well one thing I have noticed is that, at least with				for example I have attended very interesting
the American military, they have tried to harden				seances in my late teens with my mother who
all their electronic and computer parts in all of their				was gifted, especially in terms of healing. I have
planes. Now it makes me wonder if really the				attended so called direct voice seances, I have
main reason they were doing this is because of				attended semi materializations, all sorts of things. I
ufo attacks?				think the most impressive was a direct voice
Timothy Good:				seance, I don't know if your familiar with direct
Um, Ken you could be right, I hadn't though of				voice seances? That's when the medium goes
that, but what I do know of course is that there				into a trance and a trumpet is projected from the
are EM effects from the weapons that the				medium from ectoplasm and goes right up to the
military has, certainly not .., I forget the name of				face of the sitter. The room is usually in darkness,
the experiment.				but there is a luminescence, a phosphorescence
Ken:				around it. Its a cone, so you can see where its
Well they get EM when they explode nuclear				going. I am very skeptical, I've also got very long
weapons too.				legs, so while all this was going on, the trumpet
Timothy Good:				actually came right up to me in my face, so I've
Right, Okay, but I know that there was some				got my legs sort of sticking around in the air and
tests being done, I am sorry I can't....EMP! Electro				everything and there was nobody, nobody
Magnetic Pulse have been conducted before, for				speaking through that thing. I can tell you it spoke
decades.				to me and I could recognize the voice, it was my
Ken:				aunt. I went to another seance where a famous
Yes they claim...				conductor came through, who wouldn't give his
Timothy Good:				name until much much later, until I was testing
They need to be able to counter that, so that				him. I won't go into all the details, I was testing
might equally well involve Electro Magnetic Pulse				him for information, which eventually came out
guns we are using, perhaps to counter the alien				and he announced himself, he was a certain
threat. There are all sorts of possibilities, the sky's				famous conductor and my mother was present
open, but there is definitely a conflict and that is				at the time and she knew him, so she knew what
one of the reasons, in my opinion for the				his voice sounded like. I said this was fantastic
extreme secrecy attached to the subject.				evidence so many years ago, so I've seen all the
Ken:				evidence I need. Incidentally both those mediums,
One thing that caught my eye was that you				certainly one of them was strapped into a chair
talked about Project Blue Book, giving camera set				while in trance and the jacket was also sewn up,
ups to a B-36 bomber that photographed a large				so they couldn't be responsible for what was
ufo. Now most of us that know anything about				going on. So I was testing everything, moving my
ufos have always thought that Project Blue Book				arms, there was nothing but a disembodied cone
was impotent. They really didn't do anything				and voices spoke through it, definitely.
except...				Ken:
Timothy Good:				Well here is the last question that I am going to
There was a public Project Blue Book and there				ask you. One witness saw something through
was a covert Project Blue Book. Indeed there				binoculars in the sky. It was sort of a platform
were many compartments, sometimes consisting				that had corners at each end and had turbulence
of just 3 or 4 people, high powered scientists. I've				above it. Yet when he took the binoculars away,
listed some of the various projects at that time				even though this object was low in the sky, it
that were going on and there was a special group				was invisible. Then when he put them back on, he
within Blue Book. I've given some of the details of				could see it again. The binoculars were coated.
that in the book, I don't know if I can lay my				Have you ever heard of anything like this before?
hands on it but, I have produced a document in				Timothy Good:
connection with submarine encounters with ufos				No, that's very interesting.
or usos in 1952 and I reproduced an interesting				Ken:
document which I got under the Freedom of				Well I'll tell you the truth, I am the witness. I was
Information Act decades ago, Its very interesting				sitting in my back yard. I've never told anybody
because...if I can just find the right page here, I				that it was me. I was sitting in my back yard and
wish I had a photographic memory.				just happened to be looking at the sky with
Ken:				binoculars and this is what I came across. It
Don't we all.				seemed to be a platform that was being slung
Timothy Good:				under a helicopter. That is the only way that I can
Anyway if I can't find it, it was a top secret				describe it. You could see the turbulence of where
group within Blue Book and I think it was				the blades were, but yet when you didn't look
AFOIN-X(SG) or something like that. I'm probably				through the binoculars you could see nothing. No
just coming up to it but, no guarantee, no I				turbulence, nothing. It made me think of these
can't....I think its in a chapter on naval intelligence.				new experiments that they are conducting now
Sorry I can't find it.				with two types of invisibility. One being cameras
Ken:				that are above something that show what is
That's quite alright.				above, below on screens and the other one is
Timothy Good:				bending light. I was wondering if I just happened
It just difficult with the phone in one hand and				to be a witness to some experiment in this field?
the...				Timothy Good:
Ken:				You could have and I am sure that you are
Of course.				aware that many witnesses have reported a
Timothy Good:				boiling effect. around a craft sometimes.
Well in any event, to answer the other part of				Sometimes they can make themselves invisible,
your question, which was about Blue Book itself				they probably rotate the photons on their craft
and you wanted to know about this case, the				360 degrees. They can make themselves invisible
sort of Dakota's case, becaue it was between				if they choose, but they are still perfectly solid.
North and South Dakota, of an RB36H				That effect has been noted, a sort of boiling
Peacemaker 10 engined bomber, which had				effect going around.
provisions for carrying nuclear weapons. There is				Ken:
not a precise date given, but Richard Haines and				Right. This was only above the craft though, it
others investigated this case and he spoke to at				wasn't below it.
least one of the crew members and its very				Okay at this point I am going to allow you to say
convincing. This bomber encountered a ufo, which				whatever you want to say.
came alongside. It was about 100 feet in				Timothy Good:
diameter, not that high actually and there were				Oh my goodness me, you will have to cue me I
lots of colored lights along the rim blinking in				think. What do you think that your audience would
sequence and about 3 portholes on a low dome				like to know?
on top of this thing. The interesting thing is that				Ken:
there was a 17 man crew on board as well as I				I still have a lot of questions, I could give you a
think, a 5 man relief crew, something like that on				question if you would like?
board and they all saw this thing and it was there,				Timothy Good:
I guess, for about 8 minutes. During this time				Sure.
these guys on board took photographs and I				Ken:
guess with special cameras and I know that they				Okay, one of my favorite questions. Why do you
were given to them by Blue Book intelligence				think that the US seems to avoid taking hi res
officers to take photographs in the event of such				photos of the Cydonia region of Mars?
an encounter. Sure enough this happened and as				Timothy Good:
soon as they landed everything was confiscated.				Short answer, I don't know. I have to say that I
Hopefully we will view them someday.				have never found the face convincing. I don't
Ken:				believe that is a face on Mars, in my opinion. I do
I am going to ask you something out of				however think that we will find traces of a
sequence here, because I am very interested in				previous civilization on Mars, no question.
this question. The NASA space program seems to				Ken:
be going nowhere as far as manned exploration is				You know, I sort of feel that way myself.
concerned, but I've always had the feeling that				Timothy Good:
maybe there is a covert military program and				I think that there is a lot, even in some of the
that program has already landed people on Mars				pictures, that gets through, there is some very
and built bases on the Moon and we just don't				weird stuff.
know about it.				Ken:
Timothy Good:				That's for sure.
I tend to go along with that Ken, I can't say that				Timothy Good:
I know that for sure, but that's my guess too.				And on the Moon Incidentally
There is a public NASA and there is a very				Ken:
private, very secret NASA, there is no question				Yes, yes, like the lighted craters that the
about that in my mind.				astronauts saw?
Ken:				Timothy Good:
One of the things that seems to have convinced				Yes, that came out recently didn't it?
me about this, is something that you probably				Ken:
don't know anything about, because it is on my				No, I've known about that for years, I've also
website. I was going through the pictures from				known about this cult that has grown up around
the 2 rovers that are on Mars and I found a				people looking at the reflection in the astronauts
perfect foot print in the soil on Mars. I've made it				visors. They claim that they see all sorts of things
available to anyone that wants to look at it on				in there.
my site and it seems to be a dress shoe of all				Timothy Good:
things.				Well as you know there were things on the Moon,
Timothy Good:				I think I published that in my first book, "Above
Okay, I'll take a look at it if you can, you know,				Top Secret" and I got information from someone
send me that link,.if you haven't already.				that spoke to Neil Armstrong. This lady, I can
Ken:				now reveal, she used to be with MI-6, that is the
No I haven't, but I will though if you are				equivalent of your CIA. She had attended a
interested, sure.				NASA conference in Italy, at which Neil
Timothy Good:				Armstrong was present and she heard that from
Sure.				the next room, she managed to hear part of a
Ken:				conversation with Neil Armstrong talking with a
You cite several instances of US presidents either				German physicist The physicist said, come along
meeting with aliens, or viewing their dead bodies.				Mr. Armstrong, tell us what really happened on
There is also a story that President Nixon took				the Moon? Armstrong said there were 2 craft
comedian Jackie Gleason to see the bodies of				there and we felt very threatened, it was quite
aliens.				frightening and blah, blah, blah. You know the rest
Timothy Good:				and then she put this to Armstrong the next day
That's right, well that's not published for the first				and confronted him and he said yes its true, but
time, that was at Homestead Air Force Base in				the CIA ordered a complete cover up on it and
Florida and Gleason came back and his wife				that's the way it has to be, or words to that
confirms that he was white as a sheet and quite				effect. As you know Buzz Aldrin came out last
shocked and that is how she described that story.				year in a British documentary called "Apollo 11" the
Ken:				untold story is that Apollo 11 was paced all the
Now here is the thing, I have read many times				way to the Moon.
that US Presidents were kept out of the ufo loop,				Ken:
and a story comes to mind about then President				Well the Russians have supposedly come out
Carter going to Bush at the time who was the				with, well have contributed to a documentary
head of the CIA, I believe, and asking for more				showing the MIR space station being surrounded
information on ufos and being shut out, you know.				by unidentified flying objects. Have you seen that?
Timothy Good				Timothy Good:
Well I wouldn't be surprised, but certainly not all				No.
presidents are briefed fully and I think a few of				Ken:
them are not briefed at all necessarily. Clinton				Its on YouTube. I don't have the name of it on
being one, he tried, but presidents that haven't				the tip of my tongue but I will email it to you.
served in the military are not very popular with				Timothy Good:
the guys controlling the situation, and Clinton				Yes you can email it to me and I will be most
certainly wasn't. There is brand new information				interested in that because the Soviet astronauts,
that I got from a very reliable source who was				cosmonauts as they call themselves, have had
attached to the White House Staff and				several encounters as you know. There is a lot of
particularity connected with Air Force One,				stuff going on. I would like to say that the most
informed me that in 1961, 1962, President				extraordinary encounter that we have had this
Kennedy requested to be taken to see the alien				year in the United Kingdom took place in April,
bodies and craft and his wish was granted and it				actually in French airspace in the British Channel
was a top secret mission and I was not given				Islands.
dates and all I know was that I was given the				Ken:
name of one person, which unfortunately, I				I know about that one, yes.
misspelled in the book. I was told it was McCue				Timothy Good:
and that was the name that was given to me,				There were 2 airliners, small airliners involved. A
but the chap questioned the spelling afterwards				mile wide ufo was seen. At first it was denied
and in fact it was McHugh. General Godfrey T.				that it was seen on radar, but it did actually
McHugh was in charge of this top secret mission,				register as a primary contact. So this was a solid
along with many other generals on the plane and				object at least a mile wide and the captain of the
JFK was taken to Tyndall Air Force Base in				Aurigny airline plane, Captain Ray Bowyer, was
Florida, to a small medical facility and I don't know				absolutely dumb struck by this and the
any more than that I am afraid. In view of later				passengers saw it as well and he was trying to
developments there might well be a connection				equate it to the size of an MD-80 or something
there in my opinion, based on what I have				like that. It was miles away, but he figured it out
learned.				by the radar, it was about a mile wide.
Ken:				Ken:
Well for those of us that are old enough enough				Well I've seen now where he sort of recanted a
to remember Stuart Whitman, I don't know if				little bit on that, because of the distance that he
you are, but I certainly am, tell us the story about				was from the object that it may not have been
his encounter with these aliens.				as big as he thought. At least that is what I read
Timothy Good:				on the internet.

Left At East Gate

INTERVIEW With Timothy Good, October 9, 2007